The always-interesting Liv Boeree going meta:
Sean Carroll had physicist, poker-player, thinker, tinkerer, Boeree on his Mindscape podcast almost exactly 2 years ago here:
https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2018/07/23/episode-6-liv-boeree-on-poker-aliens-and-thinking-in-probabilities/
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